@meso@iska@kirby@sarvo I'm going to stir the pot here a little and say that Java is Fine, Actually. Not great (a language of its target demographic never really can be), but fine. Really the worst thing about it is some of the tooling like Maven which can go straight to hell, and the longstanding meme about Eclipse being the go-to free Java IDE when NetBeans is heaps better for any normal person (I deliberately refrain from commenting on IntelliJ because I haven't used it)