@rainignterror1080p@Kyonko802 I mean, the top tiers of those respective settings are Servants and True Ancestors/Dead Apostles so more or less what I described.
The Nasuverse is honestly one of the more annoying franchises to compare amongst each other and other franchises because the entire franchise basically boils down to competitions between abilities with hax. As early as the first 10 minutes of Fate Stay/Night Cu's Gae Bolg, noted as being a spear that genuinely rewrites cause and effect to create a theoretically unmissing strike, fails to properly strike Artoria because her luck stat was enough to save her.
The heavy hitters of the Nasuverse attack at magnitudes of power beyond defense and it leads to fight discussions basically boiling down to "Can the challenger win before the person with something like Ea or Marble Phantasm just obliterates them at a conceptual level."