RustyCrab,
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The proclamation of The End of History was just the government's way of saying "nothing ever happens"

a7,

@RustyCrab very mckenna, he talked about the end of history and the age of ultimate novelty. But what it actually means when he said is that every historical tragedy replays its self constantly at a certain point, and we hit the age of "ultimate novelty" in which every archetypal incident is always happening.

RustyCrab,
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@a7 I mean this is a shitpost and I know next to nothing about the original book. I just hear neolibs unironically believing it that once the whole world is under the gay space communism no conflicts will ever occur again

a7,

@RustyCrab feels like a bunch of gay liberals missed mckennas point

a7,

@RustyCrab he thinks the age of "ultimate novelty" will lead to a true "collective unconscious" or complete destruction if i am fully remembering it correctly, i dunno havent watched timewave zero since like 2011. He was a hope pusher tho.

a7,

@RustyCrab the way the internet works and memes proliferate do make me think he might have had a point

eidolon,
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@RustyCrab @a7 read Limbo by Bernard Wolfe

allison,

@RustyCrab @a7 lol, lmao even

sun,
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@a7 @RustyCrab end of history is francis fukuyama speculating that liberal democracy wins and everything turns boringly stable. this was demonstrably proven false by the aftermath of september 11 2001 and rise of islam

mkenna's timewave zero was like the computing singularity but for reality. the end of the world did in fact happen in 2012 but it's not a singularity everything just died and is winding down and the cracks are showing in the universe

jeffcliff,
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@sun @a7 @RustyCrab i'm reading one of fukuyama's other books rn and he honestly gets a bad rap for getting that wrong. He may not be right about everything but he is actually well argued

allison,

@jeffcliff @RustyCrab @a7 @sun I think Fukuyama gets needlessly maligned for being perceptive of the zeitgeist of his time

jeffcliff,
@jeffcliff@shitposter.world avatar

@allison @RustyCrab @a7 @sun Exactly. He is very much that: the ideas and tools he has, were what was available when he was writing, plus a fair bit of insight from him. He fell for in with neocons but walked away when it was clear they were starting to be wrong about things. If the rest of us could only be so willing to learn from our mistakes.

pirin04,
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@jeffcliff @RustyCrab @allison @a7 @sun His reach exceeded his grasp.

No matter how well argued, he got bit by Rotchild's Rule and is now in company with Angus the Bridge-builder.

eidolon,
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@RustyCrab this is a good point

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