@icedquinn this too tbh. ill give it credit less orthodox forms of socialism can and do work well enough but that level of understanding is rare and thats why theyre all benevolent dictatorships who are more in it as a chosen form after liberation that as a change from an otherwise functional society
like that one dude said, forget his name, but socialism did work to lift the masses out of the worst situations... because they startef from so low the tradeoffs are worth it
"real communism" as in the anarchic collaborative ideology is just absurd though lol