icedquinn, 2 months ago

@wolf480pl like most managed democracies, mostly figureheads for consent laundering i would assume.

takao, 2 months ago

@icedquinn @wolf480pl regulations agreed in EU parliament have to be implemented with national legislature - so it does have power, just less direct and constrained on paper to competences delegated to it in the treaties (not that it stops them)

wolf480pl, 2 months ago

@takao @icedquinn
ok but like

When the European Commission proposes an idiotic bill

(and it does it with surprising regularity)

how come we never hear of EU Parliament stopping it?

why is this always a game between the European Comission and the European Council, and the parliament in the middle seems powerless?

takao, 2 months ago

@wolf480pl @icedquinn two reasons mostly:1. because EU elections are a joke and used as a way of dumping scandal-ridden or incompetent but nevertheless influential politicians away from the local political scene - where they would be visible and damage national party's reputation
2. because it's just illusory democracy where you elect someone but they still are in a EU-wide massive party, and follow their orders (which are a result of shady deals and agreements)

wolf480pl, 2 months ago

@takao @icedquinn
Oh, ok, a feedback loop.

EU parliament is useless -> use it as retirement for poloticians who fucked up

EU parliament is full of politicians who fucked up -> EU parliament is useless

?

takao, 2 months ago

@wolf480pl @icedquinn more or less, but they're also incompetent and wholly unprepared to think critically about what they're voting for. EC - a fucking executive body - is also the only entitled party to propose legislation, and they tend to pack a lot of nasty shit alongside actually useful regulations. It's a fucked up system and it will not heal.

wolf480pl, 2 months ago

@takao @icedquinn
what if EP was allowed to propose amendments?

(let's for a moment ignore whether such a change would pass and pretend it magically passed, would it make things better?)

takao, 2 months ago

@wolf480pl @icedquinn maybe, if people stopped voting in trash. It'd certainly be a step in a slightly better direction, at the very least.

wolf480pl, 2 months ago

@takao @icedquinn
that'd require caring...

Maybe if the media started highlighting who voted for some bill, instead of letting the blame fall for "the EU", "the European Commision", "Ursula", and "Germans"