@icedquinn@Ukko tbh the emacs lisp aspect of emacs really makes me want to actually use emacs more, i see all the cool shit people do with it and i want to get in on the fun, the only problem is that it's lisp
@kirby@icedquinn There's GNU Zile which is written in Lua and unlike Emacs it doesn't have a proper GUI, a big enough community writing everything for it, 500 built-in libraries, but, also, it isn't ancient ugly lisp, and doesn't have 500 built-in libraries or 5 different graphical frontends
@icedquinn@kirby Yea I am not certain if the ZZ counts as "ancient nonsense shortcut", at least wherever I learnt about the ZZ said that it doesn't work in neovim (or was it kakoune they were talking about? idk). Never tried there as I primarily use emacs so the only vim I touch is the preinstalled one :D
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