@pernia considering the influence of kaniini on the project and the paucity of politically and technologically viable alternative courses of action given their stated wish to abandon openrc, I would be very surprised if anything but systemd is the ultimate outcome of this
@pernia yeah she's been a prominent figure in the alpine scene basically forever, the taint of both her and devault combined with the things that have been explained to me about how dysfunctionally the project is run lead me to conclude that anyone who willingly and knowingly runs alpine deserves everything they get
@pernia there's a part of me which is considering chimera linux ngl but at that point I might as well throw the baby out with the bathwater and stop using linux
@a7@pernia@PurpCat FreeBSD devs wireless stuff turns me off the platform completely, I have much more faith in the OpenBSD devs to deliver a working product (and now that softdep has been removed from the filesystem, maybe they can revisit things like TRIM which are the primary blockers to me using it as things currently stand)
t. very happy with my zbook 14 G10A
unlike intel's garbage, the AMD integrated GPU manages to outperform the nvidia workstation card in the intel model
@PurpCat@a7@mischievoustomato@pernia@skylar (I got it because it was the cheapest Ryzen that looked decent during the peak COVID market and it has actually turned out really well for me considering, although I don't think someone with less tech skills than me would have a particularly good time with it)
@pernia@PurpCat@a7 The problem is that they're in the middle of a massive rewrite to just try pulling in Linux drivers verbatim instead of writing their own, thus FreeBSD is stuck with (afaik) 802.11g speeds on newer intel hardware while OpenBSD already has fully functional 802.11ac (as well as Haiku, which imports OpenBSD's drivers)
@pernia@allison@a7 the issue with illumos is 9/10 illumos devs don't use it as a desktop OS, they use it in a VM or on baremetal servers as a VM/zone host.
So it has support for say, Intel 10gbe cards but not for newer Intel Wi-Fi, because it's hardware on a server. https://illumos.org/man/4D/ixgbe
@pernia@a7@allison the other problem with illumos is something that @despair can attest to: it's a pain to wrangle it to be a host for something like Pleroma because a lot of the things the stack depends on simply don't work or are not tested well on illumos.
You need to do a lot of wrangling to make it work.
@a7@allison@despair@pernia I also remember that I couldn't build Mumble and I literally filed a bug report on some bullshit that it depended on that was hardcoded to find Linux saying "you know there's more *nixes than just Linux, right?"
@PurpCat@pernia@allison@a7 that might have been in the qt4 era (still got it built..with sunpro even), the recent qt5-6 mumbles were much better about this
I'm literally the only person in many friend circles using illumos or I'm using it for different things than they are. I'm not sure how many people even run nextcloud on illumos, but I've learned right away that pkgsrc updating it breaks it and you have to manually send a command line command to do the upgrade properly.
@PurpCat@allison@a7 well i mean what do you want, its a server OS. a derivative, smartOS, is a great DC OS, with its linux-compatible containers and exokernel vm shit
@allison@PurpCat@pernia@a7 unfortunately the systemd cancer means increasing amounts of software doesn't run on BSD. even wayland is a tire fire because it doesn't do anything to sanitize inputs (it just assumes you have evdev, which freebsd baically adopted and netbsd has been trying to bodge around)
This isn't an issue on server shit as much as "oh this build system is hardcoded to look for Linux" and the BSD guys have like 400 jank workarounds that aren't merged back in.
@allison@a7@icedquinn@pernia It's also a Linux issue because I've hosted mumble on weird non-x86 arches in the past during "Skype migration attempt 420".
@PurpCat@icedquinn@pernia@a7 this definitely checks out, I personally saw mumble get ported to netbsd a few years back and that was a fairly ugly process
@allison@icedquinn@pernia@a7 Porting to illumos these days is really like porting to BSD; because you might have the GNU userland to some degree (bash and GCC, it's built with GCC instead of SUNWpro) but you lack SystemD, dbus, and most importantly it's not Linux.
I've heard of Linux zones. I might try fiddling with using murmur on those.
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