Apparently #Marvel retired the original skull logo for #ThePunisher because it was being used by alt right extremists.
Are they really that surprised that a pro America white terrorist is relatable to alt right groups? I've only watched the #MCU#Netflix shows, but he was never portrayed as any sort of hero.
@realcaseyrollins so fun fact, there should not be any punisher media at all. he died.
the original canon by the authors is that Castle was supposed to age in real time. those comics went on for years and they eventually realized he's canonically too old to keep doing the things he does. so they wrote Punisher Max as a capstone to finish off his story.
@sun@icedquinn@vriska Yeah it's tough, it's murder but most of the people he killed technically deserved it (slight spoilers but he murders gang members in #Daredevil S02 and corrupt military officials in #ThePunisher S01)
He didn't need to kill the gang members at all but I get why he killed those military officials, they were so corrupt they would have been able to get themselves out of jail in any situation
@sun@vriska@realcaseyrollins he's from the 90s period when comic artists got out of the bootlicking phase and started writing anti heroes.
viet nam war vet comes home, goes back to being a civvie, then some gang banger shoots his wife/daughter and john wick decides he is taking that personally.
calling him a terrorist is not entirely wrong because in punisher max one of the bangers finds out they have obtained the notice of frank castle and the whole room panics "HE TAKES OUT GANGS STARTING WITH THE BOSS AND GOES DOWN" implying that if, somehow, you have done anything to be noticed
@icedquinn@vriska@realcaseyrollins vigilante is probably a better word but from the perspective of most people if you kill cops (they don't know the cops are corrupt) you're more than a vigilante.
Imagine if an honest reboot of Punisher happened today. Who would he be killing and why? Yes it would be called right wing terrorism"
@sun@realcaseyrollins@vriska he gets brought up a lot at the meetings for capeshit films. but management always nixes him. he just doesn't work with the bootlickers because spodermans is all about being poor college student and wolverine is about poor drunk me is old and batman keeps putting murderous psychopaths in easily escapable jails
punisher does not put the joker in an asylum. punisher kills that motherfucker with a tea cup* and then beats all of the minions to death with the joker's skull.
@icedquinn@vriska@sun Well, he doesn't really make sense in most superhero contexts. He has no superpowers beyond being "really good". I kept having to pinch myself while watching #ThePunisher because it didn't feel like it was #Marvel-related at all, even with #Daredevil cameos.
I don't think that the #MCU could or would do anything without characters who have superpowers. I think the only time they've done this is #Hawkeye.
@realcaseyrollins@icedquinn@vriska my favorite origin story is a DC character named Green Arrow who was a rich guy who got really drunk on his yacht and fell overboard. then he washed up on a desert island and had to learn how to bowhunt. for some reason this pivoted to being a masked vigilante, there is probably a reason but I forgotz
@sun@realcaseyrollins@vriska The Girl gets shot or something in one episode. ends up crippled. they even make the joke about "oracle was taken" as a nickname, but that barely lasts for any time before they just completely invalidate it all with pulling some biochip out of the ass and deleting the disability representation like they always fucking do.
@sun@icedquinn@vriska@realcaseyrollins there's a side series called "Pinisher kills the Marvel universe", where his family was killed by some capeshit dudes instead of mafia, so Frank methodically exterminates every caped clown in existence.
@sun@icedquinn@realcaseyrollins@vriska i think this discussion is missing the point. the people who put thin blue line punisher logos on their $80,000 pickup truck are misrepresenting the character.
@sun@icedquinn@realcaseyrollins@vriska i think its important to acknowledge punisher and dredd and etc only work as antiheros when the audience agrees killing=bad. we have a massive population of those who arent phased by a protagonist killing bad guys, and instead see it as a power fantasy. the concept has completely broken down since it relies on the audience's perception.
@why@icedquinn@vriska@sun True. I'm noticing this problem as I'm going through the #Marvel#Netflix shows; the #Daredevil series, which is a tentpole of the franchise, has a very #Batman-esque "killing make you bad" ethic; but the heroes have to kill someone in #TheDefenders and now we have #IronFist and in some cases #LukeCage (in S02) killing people...it kinda weakens the case the #ThePunisher is a bad guy.
The problem with cops killing people is that it can be ad hoc justice, or it can simply be a response to someone out of control (Rodney King, George Floyd, Mike Brown, John Wilkes Booth, etc).
@amerika@icedquinn@vriska@sun@why If it was more realistic, he'd accidentally shoot and kill innocent people, sometimes because he got bad intel but other times because they were just in the way
The problem with policing is that cops are targets.
They respond accordingly. I think very few of them (anymore) seek to be The Punisher.
But when they think they are attacked, they freak out, and it's hard to fully blame them, although the gun who opened fire when the acorn dropped was an extreme.
It analogizes to friendly fire.
Often in combat, someone freaks out and everyone starts shooting.
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