If you support polygamy you are a nigger. No 'but it's based bro', you are spiritually African and you should go to Somalia to be with your fellow 'based' polygamists.
@MeBigbrain@synapsid No, if you can become one flesh with a prostitute too, then a husband can easily be one flesh with several wives in turn. Jesus would have said clearly that polygamy was no longer okay if that was what He meant.
@CharlesSynyard@synapsid@MeBigbrain This is the same line of argument used by liberal churches to claim that faggot "marriage" is ok. "If he didn't want it to happen he would've said so". There is an unstated assumption here that Christ is taking about marriage between one man and woman, as in accordance with context and reason. He doesn't need to state what is the obvious truth here, it is known by all involved already.
Also becoming one flesh means becoming one body with your spouse through the sacrament of marriage, not sex.
@wgiwf That can be a confusing point, which I didn’t realize until recently was throwing myself and others off. Marriage is always a covenant between the man and the woman; polygamy can strike the observer as a kind of group marriage and so clearly wrong. However, the sister-wives, while enjoying a special relationship, are not married to one another. Fundamentally, polygyny isn’t different than a single marriage, just the same thing repeated over. The clearest descriptions are therefore plural marriage (because more of the same), or even more precisely, concurrent marriages—though that doesn’t have the euharmonic quality of plural marriage.
On that second point, it might be nice were it that way, but Akshually, see I Corinthians 6:15-17. “Shall I take the members of Christ and unite them to a prostitute?” I would not utter the words, which makes it sound like some kind of gross, and blasphemous MMF threesome, but that is how St. Paul describes the significance of seeing a prostitute. Point being, the words of the Lord in Genesis and Christ in the Gospel are significant and poetic, but should not be taken over-literally, in order to contravene polygyny, which the body was clearly designed for, and was practiced and accepted by our forefathers for as long as metalworking and musical instruments have been around.
@CharlesSynyard@wgiwf >However, the sister-wives, while enjoying a special relationship, are not married to one another.
Irrelevant! The pattern God established in Genesis 2:24 and the Seventh Commandment is why polygamy is wrong. A man having more wives to himself than the first living one is what constitutes sin. That is what is being argued. Saying or implying that we claim pro-polygamists believe wives are married to each other is a strawman. Cut that out.
>but should not be taken over-literally
Nobody is taking the words Christ speaks in Matthew 19 "over-literally" but you. Christ is making a commentary on the proper didactic use of Genesis' historical narrative to establish God's moral law on marriage, divorce, and all sexual ethics. There is a strict boundary on the amount of women you may take because the pattern God establishes at Creation is the two and only two, the man and woman, are made one flesh in a marriage covenant. The number "two" doesn't exist in the Hebrew, but Christ added it to attack the polygamous Herod, Caiaphas, and other would-be polygamists.
You have not countered the argument except going "nun-uh". You have not exegeted Matthew 19, except throwing an out-of-context reference to 1 Corinthians 6, itself not being exegetted, as if Paul's use of σάρκα μίαν is the exact same as Christ' for the exact same purpose but against Christ' usage supposedly reducing the legal impact of Christ' words on us all.
That is not acceptable handling of God's Word for any professing Christian.
@SuperSnekFriend@CharlesSynyard@wgiwf >9 bajillion words about what ink on pen says about monogamy
>Barely one word about the fact that you can literally just pray and ask if it's wrong and get the answer "yeah duh."
God's right there just go fucking ask holy shit. :smug1:
@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@CharlesSynyard@wgiwf >9 bajillion words about what ink on pen says about monogamy
I know you guys don't like us ignoring the 2nd and 3rd Century anti-Biblical fanfics written by fake apostles, but would it kill you Gnostics to show a modicum of respect to Biblical studies and to not blaspheme God and the living Word breathed out by God as mere ink on a papyrus?
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